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[研讨]IDW中的五面怪、绿色迷你金刚、木头金刚是否算TF [复制链接]

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只看楼主 倒序阅读 使用道具 0 发表于: 2015-01-11
五面怪是元祖的后人,有火种
绿色迷你金刚是机械生命体,能变形能合体
木头金刚只出现了一回,还已经不能动了,不知道到底是什么性质
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只看该作者 1 发表于: 2015-01-11
木头金刚?哪里出现过?
老变形金刚里,五面怪不是TF,IDW里面五面怪介绍还不多,不知道算不算是变形金刚的远房表亲。
赛星生物种群还是很多的。不是能变形就算。大波灭掉的那些生物有火种不过不算TF。
元祖里机器恐龙好像也没有火种吧,算是TF了。感觉小绿人也算吧,如果可以变形的话。
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只看该作者 2 发表于: 2015-01-11
idw dw ,g1动画 ,元祖漫画,应该设定各有不同吧。。。
Sina Weibo id :   买单侠-双面人
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只看该作者 3 发表于: 2015-01-11
看tfwiki
有个对prime的设定里,五面怪是赛博坦人的一个元祖创造出来的

Within the Aligned continuity family, which exists separately from the rest of the Transformers multiverse, the full roster of the Thirteen is known. Each possesses a special artifact of great power that is tied to their identity and role in Primus' plan. Listed in the order of their creation by Primus, they are:

    Prima - The leader of the Thirteen, a warrior of light who wielded the Star Saber.
    Vector Prime - The master of time and space, which he could manipulate through his Blades of Time.
    Alpha Trion - Holder of the Quill, which he uses to record the past, present, and future of Cybertron in the Covenant of Primus in his role as recordskeeper of the Primes.
    Solus Prime - The master artificer and creator of many of the Primes' weapons through use of her incredible Forge. She was the first female Cybertronian.
    Micronus Prime - The conscience of the Thirteen, and the first Mini-Con, able to link up with and enhance the power of his siblings through the use of his Chimera Stone.
    Alchemist Prime - Student of the elemental structure of the natural world, aided in this by his Lenses, which allowed him to see further and deeper than anyone, in both material and spiritual senses. Co-founder of Cybertronian civilization with Alpha Trion.
    Nexus Prime - The first and greatest combiner, granted the ability to divide himself into separate forms by his Enigma of Combination. Unpredictable, fascinated by change, and a lighthearted prankster.
    Onyx Prime - The first beast-form Cybertronian, a primitive and spiritual being able to view other times, places, souls and even the afterlife through his three-faced Triptych Mask.
    Amalgamous Prime - The joker of the Thirteen and the first Shifter, unpredictable and easygoing. He was first Cybertronian with the ability of transformation, granted him by his Transformation Cog, which became the basis for the cogs in all subsequent Transformer life.
    Quintus Prime - A daydreamer and perfectionist whose drive to express his ideas led him to become a scientist. His artifact was the Emberstone, which gave him the ability to create life; the Quintessons were among his creations.
    Liege Maximo - The manipulator. Though his artifact was notionally the toxin-loaded Legian Darts, his real skill was his ability to talk others into his way of thinking—a black art that ultimately caused the downfall of the Thirteen.
    Megatronus - The warrior of darkness, Prima's opposite number, whose role as the necessary counterbalance set him apart from his fellow Primes. His artifact was the Requiem Blaster, created for him by Solus; this act began a doomed romance between the two that led to his turning on his brothers and becoming known as The Fallen.
    Optimus Prime - The mediator of the Primes, who united the Thirteen by being the first among them to raise an arm in greeting. He would subsequently be reincarnated as Orion Pax.
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只看该作者 4 发表于: 2015-01-11
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总忘:木头金刚?哪里出现过?
老变形金刚里,五面怪不是TF,IDW里面五面怪介绍还不多,不知道算不算是变形金刚的远房表亲。
赛星生物种群还是很多的。不是能变形就算。大波灭掉的那些生物有火种不过不算TF。
元祖里机器恐龙好像也没有火种吧,算是TF了。感觉小绿人也算吧,如果可以变形 .. (2015-01-11 13:29) 

木头金刚在超越视觉里面火炭他们探索坠毁飞船出现过,发现时候已经死了
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只看该作者 5 发表于: 2015-01-11
transformer本身就是变形者,是一个统称,按道理只要能变形就算。按版权划分就更容易了,不过看起来你问的是设定上。在设定上变形金刚与赛博坦星人是可以画等于号的吗?这个问题我真不知道确切答案,因为在设定上塞伯坦人大概是不会叫自己变形金刚的。变形金刚大概是人类给予这种塞伯坦来的外星人的统称。假设变形金刚和塞伯坦人是一个本质,那五面怪曾经在塞伯坦生存过,后来被赶走,现在的塞伯坦人承认五面怪在塞伯坦星球上的合法性,那五面怪就是塞伯坦人,也就是变形金刚,这一切的根源在于变形金刚等不等于塞伯坦人。我个人认为,比如风刃并不是塞伯坦本地人,但她可以变形,也算变形金刚,所以大概变形金刚的含义比塞伯坦人要宽泛,只要能变形就算变形金刚。但又有问题,塞伯坦人当中也有不能变形的,他们算变形金刚吗?所以根本问题就是“变形金刚”的定义,这个定义迷友讨论没有用,只会吵起来,除非官方给一个教科书般的定义,比如“生活在塞伯坦星球的具有至少拥有一种变形形态的自主机械生命体。”这样的定义,我们可以抠字眼,不在塞伯坦生活不能算啦不能变形不能算啦什么的。在没有官方定义之前,讨论不出结论的。
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只看该作者 6 发表于: 2015-01-11
賽博特恩上其他物種在IDW漫畫中,我最有印象的是
渦輪狐狸!應該像地球中比人類較低等的生物?
非同凡響第 8 回第 10 頁鐵皮遇上特大號渦輪狐狸便對其論述。
按此推論,可能G1大電影中的鯊魚精,鰐魚怪也是如此生物,
能受訓練而服從人的命令(好像緝毒犬一樣 )
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只看该作者 7 发表于: 2015-01-11
木头金刚?
可以变形成椅子么?
(想起了《神偷3》的木头鬼……)
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只看该作者 8 发表于: 2015-01-12
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天才女狼:木头金刚?
可以变形成椅子么?
(想起了《神偷3》的木头鬼……) (2015-01-11 23:36) 

好像不能变形
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只看该作者 9 发表于: 2015-01-13
广义上是,狭义上不是
No one can hold back!
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只看该作者 10 发表于: 2015-01-14
机器昆虫应该和变形金刚他们不是一个物种吧

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只看该作者 11 发表于: 2015-02-01
广义上讲说是能变形的机械体才算,侠义上讲就是天尊和大帝极其创造的子民与衍生物才是变形金刚,并非只限定与生活在塞星或者起源与塞星
而塞星人则是指起源于塞星的生命种族
两者有交叉,但并非同一概念
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只看该作者 12 发表于: 2015-02-25
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hnxczx001:机器昆虫应该和变形金刚他们不是一个物种吧[表情]  (2015-01-14 22:24) 

应该是 威震天万岁里惊天雷提到机器昆虫是他们的同类
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